High zoom optics broken on all LMGs

[captainblaffer]

CBA3 Version: v200150817-fixed

Mods:
@CBA_A3

Description:

Most high zoom optics can not be used on any LMGs.
List:

• LMG_Zafir_F
• LMG_Mk200_F
• MMG_02_sand_F

When attempting to equip the scope in VA or via script, it won't appear.
Broken Scopes include:

• AMS
• DMS (optic_DMS)
• Kahila
• LRPS
• MOS

Steps to reproduce:

Start Virtual Arsenal
Equip any lmg from list above
Equip any of the optics above

Where did the issue occur?

"Multiplayer", "Editor"

RPT log file:
n/a

[captainblaffer]

Any word on this from the devs???

[dixonbegay]

Intended behavior. Reference: CBA_A3/addons/jr/jr_classes.hpp Line 88

[captainblaffer]

These attachments work fine in default A3. Why should they be disabled? this is really annoying. Especially because one can't simply remove CBA from their modset, many other mods depend on it.

[dixonbegay]

The above link that I posted has a comment on that same line that states, "// attachments that would not work well on machine guns". I'm guessing this is intentional for realism. IRL doesn't make sense to stick a high zoom optic on a LMG. The LMG's aren't made for sniping but rather suppression. IRL the gun would probably shake the scope off or shake the attachment so much that it would come loose and make it not accurate anymore. Also, the optic itself could just break or crack from the shaking of the gun.

[robalo]

This was intended in JR and brought into CBA. Yes I see the point about not changing vanilla behavior. At the same time also think this is a vanilla bug because those big scopes look silly the way they clip through the weapon models when you reload, which you'd not even be able to do in real life since they'd make it impossible to open the belt feed cover. I am curious about what others think about this.

[MikeMatrix]

I personally would just leave it like this. I feel like this is just a vanilla bug that never got fixed.

[jonpas]

I agree with what @robalo and @MikeMatrix said.

[captainblaffer]

"This was intended in JR and brought into CBA"
When running just ASDG_JR 0.16, which is the latest version afaik, I am able to put all scopes on all LMGs.

"because those big scopes look silly the way they clip through the weapon models when you reload"
Partly true there is a visual glitch with some weapons. But on the navid it looks fine. See video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCOuZOl1ZQ8&feature=youtu.be

If you want to use realism as an argument, that's your decision. But please don't include such a big change in CBA, which is a requirement for many other mods, I can't just disable CBA if I don't like it.

This 'feature' also breaks many existing missions which feature scopes on LMGs. Even bigger mods like ACE don't break existing missions.
It would be really appreciated to keep this functionality the same as in arma 3, by allowing scopes on LMGs.

[jokoho48]

i think that this is a BI fault(or normaly you cant attach a highzoom optic to a MG)

[MikeMatrix]

Well the consideration that should be made is, should CBA even Fix issues like those? It's more of a general project guideline question.

[jokoho48]

i think that is not fixable if i remeber right this is model based(not fixable)

[PabstMirror]

Could put this in optionals (unsigned) and let people use if they desire.

class CfgPatches
{
    class cba_jr_mgSniper
    {
        units[] = {};
        weapons[] = {};
        requiredVersion = 1;
        requiredAddons[] = {"cba_jr", "asdg_jointrails", "asdg_jointmuzzles"};
    };
};

class asdg_OpticRail1913_short;
class asdg_OpticRail1913_short_MG: asdg_OpticRail1913_short {
    delete compatibleItems;
};

The door on the Zafir/Negev clips through the scope when reloading.

[MikeMatrix]

class cba_jr_mgSniper

I love that class name